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:	post by DrinkHardThrashHard at 2006-08-03 09:44:15

kevord said:

There wouldn't have been an empire if it wasn't for Vaders betrayel of the old republic. Plus Vader hunted down and exterminated all the Jedi Knights remaining after episode 3.

Yes there would have been an Empire. Almost all the important Jedi were slain by CLONE TROOPERs, Palpatine, and OLD AGE. Vader couldn't even kill Mace, he just cut off his hand and Palpatine did it. He couldn't kill Ben in their first fight, and Ben LET him win in the 2nd fight. He couldn't kill Luke either. He was far too emo to be a good villain.

Vader did NOT exterminate all the Jedi Knights remaining after episode 3. He hunted a few weak Jedi who were not powerful enough to be on the Council. There were many in hiding that he did not get to. You need to read the fiction more

There was going to be an Empire whether Vader joined up or not. Proof: It was already in motion when Palpatine showed to save Vader's sorry-ass, emo half-corpse lying by the volcano. If Anakin died there, there still would have been an Empire. Actually, if Anakin died there, the Empire would have WON, because Vader wouldn't have allowed his son to get past him in the shuttle, Palps would have taken out Luke and that would have been the end of it.

The Empire lost because of Darth Vader.

Thrawn couldn't have taken down a Padawin in hand to hand combat even with one of those stupid lizards around his neck.

Who cares? The overwhelming majority of non-Force users could not take down a Padawan in hand to hand combat. They have magic powers and a definitive advantage in all situations, only soldiers and bounty hunters can kill them by surprise attacks or in the rare chance they have superior combat capabilities (and a lot of tricks, like Fett).

Thrawn was a genius and wouldn't have gotten into that situation to begin with. That's why he was the only alien Grand Admiral in the Empire, and one of the only alien officers ALLOWED in the Empire. In fleet to fleet combat tactics, Thrawn would eradicate Vader, he didn't get where he was because he could choke suckaz from miles away with invisible magic, he got there because he was smart.

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