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:	post by porphyria at 2010-07-20 11:29:34

Interesting counterpoints...

Jim Collier | July 12, 2010 9:17 AM

You are ranting against the wrong thing, and using erroneous facts and fallacious reasoning to do it.

You are also conveniently forgetting that 23 Muslims died in the attacks (roughly the same % as in the US population).

To say that Islam is a religion of terror, would be like saying Christianity is a religion of murder, or Scientology a religion of tax evasion. (All three assertions are more or less true.)

If you paraphrase (in your own butchered understanding) tenets of Islam, you must do the same for Christianity. I mean, have you read the Old and/or New Testaments? (I have. Three versions.) If your child talks back to you...the punishment? DEATH. Planning on doing some yardwork on Sunday? DEATH. Who should mete out this punishment? Anyone who witnesses it. It goes on and on. Even Jesus--when a fig tree looked at him crossly, guess the punishment: That's right, DEATH.

Or how about using terror and indiscriminate killing to further a political agenda? Heard of the "Crusades"? The "Dark Ages"? The "Witch Trials"? "Shock and Awe"? (And if you question that last one: look up the definition of "Terrorism" and tell me it isn't the very definition.)

The number of innocent civilians--mostly women and children--killed in Iraq is 10,000 at the (absurdly) lowest, to 1 million at the highest. (Most experts tend to settle on 100,000.) 100,000 innocent human lives. 3,000 people died in the 9/11 attacks.

Are we even yet?

I do agree with your overall sentiment--the outrage over the idea of a Mosque at Ground Zero. (I'm also skeptical of the reality of such plans, but will do my own research using.) But I tend to tune people out who make assertions of the absolute, such as "anyone who denies this is wrong" (two absolutes in one sentence).

And while it's clear you believe it doesn't matter (but in fact it does--that is, if similar Christian pleas over Christian atrocities also matter), you have also failed to mention that the overwhelming majority of Muslim clerics have condemned the attacks as being fundamentally anti-Islam. Just as many modern-day Judeo-Christian shamans decry the barbarism in both Old and New Testaments (the latter cult using lame excuses and circuitous logic of Jesus rendering the Old Testament basically null and void).

*ALL* religion and other forms of extreme groupthink are the disease. (This includes jingoism, hyper-nationalism, and other forms of arbitrary, unreasonably passionate group identification resulting in extreme, uncivilized and/or harmful behavior.) Irreligion is the only cure. And I don't mean a Jihad against religion--I mean we must all wake up, rub our sleepy eyes, and reject ALL religion, superstition, nonscience, antiscience, groupthink, propaganda, and miscellaneous nonsense.

Religion and other forms of irrational thought will die on their own when enough people dismiss it out-of-hand as the fallacy of children. (After all, you don't see people killing in the name of the Tooth Fairy.) Although, I doubt I will live to see that day. I'm sure there are people reading this (probably most decidedly anti-Muslim).

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