this whole metal kids hating hardcore kids is getting fucking retarded it seriously needs to be stopped it almost seems trendy to hate the metal kids and its trendy for the metal heads to hate the hardcore kids i mean theres obvious reasons why this "hate" has spread i think for one is that 70% of hardcore kids are militant straight edge bastards who put X's on there hands and shake them in the air after the Choreographed Moshin has come to a hault due to the iminent over-usage of breakdowns....of course i can see why the metal kids hate you guys,but i can also see why you hate the metal kids they are pretty rough in the pit,but i think my point out of this whole thing is hardcores not better than metal as metal is to hardcore so for 5 minutes of your life shut the fuck up about it its so fucking annoying having to go to a show and here oh " hes a metal kid"........go suck a chupacabras nut

you can't stop metal kids hating hardcore kids and vice versa, until the hardcore kids stop hating hardcore kids...this shit is out fo control, so many GOOD venues shut down because people are gay and don't know how to act around people dancing or whatever else they have to bitch about. until then there's no chance of a peace! until then... IT'S FUCKING WAR! IDN will be playing at the met cafe on october 24th with six feet under, skinless, black dahlia murder, and bohemeth. HC vs. METAL

the only thing i don't like is when a group of hardcore kids attack just one metal head because he doesn't dance like them.

Someday you will be that kid.

someday you'll think im that kid and get your face smashed in by 10 people, then my asshole hovering over your mouth dropping a monster log right into it.

ha. shut up tom.

i like metal and old hardcore(80's-92)

i hate when the kids in the pit purposly run backwards into the people watching the show to me it doen't get any lamer

baneofexistence said:

unfortunately I have friends that do this, and other rediculous acts instead of punching eachother in the pit. I feel bad for some of the people that get hit, or jumpkicked. sucks.

I am SOOOOOO gonna slap the shit out of you.

Metal wins.

Mike_STE said:

growing up i was a metal kid and my older brother was a hardcore kid .... musically we got along fine and would take turns playing stuff for each other... so i had a respect for the hardcore scene... which slowly started to dwindle as the kids started to think they were bruce lee in the pit. i dont hate hardcore kids... just hardcore kids who practice their martial arts in the pit and not a dojo :P

I'm a hardcore kid, I've got big black plugs, im fuckin edge you drunk high loooozers. I'm overweight and i was on my highschool football team. I like hardcore because it gots tough lyrics that mean alot to me. its all about sticking with your best buddy and staying up late talking about how cool it is to be sober. When i go to shows, i like the music so much i feel i must intentionally hurt people to have fun. hardcore is cool. i try to keep up with the latest fashons too

im a hardcore moron said:



HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I like hardcore
I like metal
since I take pictures, getting passed kickboxers is easier than metal kids pushing...
kickboxers clean out space.

you like emo too

lets compare and contrast things here...


1. metal kids are generally close-minded and only listen to their favorite genre of metal

hardcore kids are close-minded and only listen to open stringed chug breakdowns

TIE

2. metal kids think of women as objects that need to be mutilated but are in actuality afraid of them and have never been kissed. BUT when the time actually arrives that they might get the chance... its wth a fat chick in an incantation hoodie.

hardcore kids are pretty much like gangstahs now-a-days and hit on women all the time like they are some sort of suave mofo.

advantage: hardcore

3. metal chicks are usually fat hunks of shit... in the event that they arent obese, they are weird and have mental problems... or are just plain busted

hardcore chicks all look exactly the same and are actually tougher than the hardcore guys... guess who wears the pants in the relationship here

TIE

4. metal kids try to think of themselves as intellectuals but are really just rehashing what everyother intellectual says. death metal has some DEEP lyrics (i.e. NOT)

hardcore kids get angry at people that are smarter than them so they get their friends and smash that smart guy's face in. Diecast also has some DEEP lyrics. (i am lying)

TIE (because idiocy is still idocy no matter who doesnt get beat up and who does)

5. metal kids bitch and moan about "kick boxing" and just sit there like babies. in the event that they feel like moshing they just bump and grind into eachother like some kind of saturday night dance club.

hardcore kids crowd punch, gang up on people that push them away from edge of the pit, kick people that are on the edge of the pit, never go in the middle, and are just moronic assholes when it comes to moshing.

again its a TIE

6. metal music evolved from old rock and truly began with Black Sabbath in the late 60's/early 70's and has grown into several different subgenre's that all sound different and portray different emotions and levels of musicianship. nwobhm, thrash/speed, death, black, power, progressive, doom/gothic to name a few.

hardcore music gained its roots in old punk and it was pretty much punk with tougher lyrics. now with the inclusion of metal elements it is that open string chugging, annoying high pitched noise making, aural show of toughness you know and love today. lets name the different genres of hardcore... old school hardcore, hardcore, metalcore... thats about it =[

advantage: metal

while it may seem a tie... metal wins because its better in the parts that matter... like... the music part

and where was that post stolen from? heh.

i just wrote that out

haha ok.. but some of the things didn't seem like you'd write them.

"emo = young kids that are too old to rock singing songs about girls they can never have"
that's a quote from the hardcore show that was on my radio station back in 97-98

RustedAngel said:

because its not about poop? =p

im a fat ugly metal chick... but i dont have an incantation hoodie :P

=[

BRAVO!!!!

metal > hardcore

heartless said:

you mean metal < hardcore

i like slam breakedowns....i like blasts......i like grooves.....i like....chugs....i like mellow shit....i like technical up beat shit....i dance....i thrash my head....i play the air guitar.....im in a slam/deathmetal band...im on the football team....i play varsity and im a sophmore in high school....i dont have earings......i get pissed when kids fight at shows....i get pissed when people crowd punch at shows....i like metal.....i like hardcore.....i like everything....i love the wu-tang clan

haha metal vs. hardcore?

who cares?

both, in trying to be one or the other, is gay.

lets concentrate on the real enemy that has brought about the collision of these 2 worlds; metalcore.

If it wasn't for metalcore, metal and hardcore kids would only have run into each other at sporting events, and then it was always the NY team fans who were the enemies.

I am taking a fiction writing course, I am going to be finishing 2 short stories this week, anyone care to read them when they are done?

me

Someone's got a stalker.

Metal is better.....hands down. That is if you like anything that involves true talent to play. If you like drop D chuggah chuggah intermingled with an occasional fifth note...listen to hardcore.

Listen to Opeth, then listen to Hatebreed....

I rest my fuckin' case.

i love both. maybe metal a wee bit more.

Joe wrote: I am taking a fiction writing course, I am going to be finishing 2 short stories this week, anyone care to read them when they are done?

Ill read those bitches. email em to me.

dirtykitty=rachel? yes.. no..?

Early hardcore was great. Cro-Mags, Minor Threat, Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Black Flag, DRI, old COC, Negative Approach, etc. It had an influence on thrash, and basically brought a lot of speed into heavy music. The only fast metal band in 1980 was Venom. I have a ton of respect for real hardcore, and bands that still play the style. Modern hardcore is laughable, and is so far lost from what it used to be. The same could be said for metal.

Anyway, I judge bands as indivdual bands, not as who they associate with, or what style they play. I like early Cro-Mags more than Anthrax. Does that mean I like hardcore more than metal? No. I like Slayer more than Bad Brains, same thing. It depends on what band is being discussed.

phantos said:

no not Rachel

okay.. sorry then.
carry on.

xericx said:

uhhh ?

dude metal kids have a passion for the music,and how its played, they respect Metal bands because it is truly hard to play i agree with the man that used the phrase open chuga chuga all those open chuga chugas and offtimes that a 5 year old could play get a nnoying bottom line the hardcore kids maybe smooth with the girls and dance funny to get attention but if you get into a metal pit,remind yourself what your getting into i cant imagine a straight edge whiney hardcore assclogger stepping into a Slayer pit or Pig Destroyer or Nile, those kids would kick your fucking ass,but as far as the whole clique at fat cats goes,thats plain old fucking gay,i should pay an asian street gang to have you raped and shot in front of you family and friends before they are forcefed your remains, oh yeah and hardcore kids...: stop using the number 1000 in every fucking song followed by the dramatic dialogue its getting old i can say the only local band that resembles hardcore or emo or anything of that nature would have to be Summer So Far the rest of you faggots need to get raped shot....etc.....when you fags gang up on a metal kid at fat cats im going to throw a fucking tomatoe at you that way you'll no it was me Fuck Off

yes sir, that is correct. IDN was just confirmed to play the met with six feet under on october 24th. be there or be a fucking pussy

Why cant you like both metal and hardcore? lol eric i thought you guys broke up?

I like both hardcore and metal. I think it's ridiculous when metal kids complain about the hardcore kids kickboxing in the pit. That's how moshing has evolved to that kind of music, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. At the same time I'm absolutely disgusted when all my friends gang up on someone at a show just because he isn't "hardcore". That's just ridiculous.

everything is gay

xPaulBLAHBLAHx said:

IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZING ME WHAT FUCKTARDS PEOPLE CAN BE.
Look at this site, Metal and Hardcore. Not Metal vs Hardcore.
That's the gay ass faggotry reserved for lamegoat. Why do you think I don't go there? All the fighting and now you are all fighting here like a bunch of pussy assed bitches.

Now, stop fighting faggots and go talk about how good/bad the new Converge, Iron Maiden, or Hatebreed are and shut your shit talking, ass eating, cunt fearing mouths.

everything is still gay.

70% huh? Wow. an actual statistic. Please cite for the record which peer reviewed journal or credible empirical study discovered that one.

Funny thing is almost none of the kids I hang out with or goto shows with are straightedge at all, in fact most are far from it.

Why metal kids are gay is a subject that I could write volumes on, but I've got sleep to get to, so I'll say this:

I goto metal shows occasionally and I dance the way I feel like dancing. I start off trying to be a nice guy, and respect the fact that metal kids would rather run around and do the bushwacker strut or the metal tapdance or whatver bullshit they'd like to come up with rather then do all the fancy shmancy spinkicks and such that I do. That's fine.

The problem is that the entire bullshit metal "scene" is full of faggots with chips on their shoulders who can't stand to see a kid dressed differently from them having a good time. So I get shoved in the back, and I listen to douchebags talk about how they're going to harm my friends and myself, and get stepped to by a bunch of kids who think their mall bought XXL Cradle of Filth shirt makes them hard.

Go ask the last metal kid who tried to play "Im metal so that makes me invincible" with me. He didn't have much to say to me cuz his mouth was gushing blood and he had to be dragged out by his faggot friends. I had no problem with this kid until he decided he couldn't stand to see a kid with short hair ruining his precious wecious little "MOSH PIT".

I don't HATE kids because of the music they listen to, I just refuse to be pushed around by some douchebag who's grown up with the idea that a wifebeater and a collection of Pantera cd's grants you respect.


there you go, smartass.

Die Scenester Die said:

Metal kids exist only to be elitist douchebags. They're never satisfied with anything. They won't goto shows unless Marduk is headlining the palladium. Why do DIY metal shows fail so often? Because of all the respect and admiration amongst the metal "scene"? Hardly.

When I used to goto metal shows regularly the one thing I noticed the most was that the majority of the crowd rarely seemed to pay any attention at all to what was going on on stage until the headlining band came on. Everyone is either standing around the bar, smoking cigarettes in the back, or sitting with their backs to the stage having a conversation. Meanwhile some no-name local band, who's playing only because they're counting on people who say they enjoy metal to actually pay attention to them, is working their ass off on stage for a crowd that couldn't possibly care less.

Oh but once Dark Funeral hits the stage, they're all "metal as fuck" again. Right.

I've never been to fat cats, but I assure you sooner or later I will, and I'll smash a metal kid just for you.....and when this one gets dragged out he'll have you to thank for it. Good job.

And just for the record...metalcore sucks too. I haven't liked a metalcore band since Peicemeal and Deadeyesunder. I can't stand bands that try to re-write "Firestorm" with every single breakdown.
If you're looking to compare The Acacia Strain with Black Dahlia Murder it's a tie because they both suck.

and music is queer too.

yeah.........i pit like "hardcore kids" well i try i do my own little thing hahah.....yeah the ONE problem i have is that if i do lend a hand in creating the circle and i am on the side i want to be able to rest for a sec if im out of breath without getting hit.i know its not intentional all the time but still its like if im leaing over out of breath i dont need to be jump kicked thats when i snapp but otehr than that hell yeah i love it becuase i get to punch ppl in the face and get away with it haha.....although hardcore shows are better than metal shows for the one reason that metal shows consist of a bunch of 45 year olds sitting at the bar and showing not one ounce of respect to the bands playing its disgusting atleast hardcore shows kids are snapping dance atleast moving alittle not at the bar get drunk like its a saturday ngiht sitting on your couch wiht your wife beater on saying " wheres my dinner bitch"

we played the Fat Cats yesterday. and we're a blasting death metal band that totally DID NOT fit with the other metalcore bands that played. We didnt get beat up. But that doesnt matter I still hate everyone.

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hahaha...rev....your last novel i mean entry i think shows u have a little too much time on your hand...its all good though. I try to keep occupied eating does a pretty could job on that and my waist size but whatever

I don't know about that whole "hardcore kids show more respect" rant. I'm not saying metal kids are any better but I've been to planety of shows where a bunch of bands will play, then as a hardcore band starts setting up, their friends poor in and as soon as they're done, them and their friends are all out the door.

i wouldnt just say that with hardcore kids. that happens with soooo many bands. but whats worse than that is when a band plays a show and then leaves right after they play. thats worse then anything. at least in my opinion

haha, good point.
but do you grasp how gay it is to try just as hard to be hardcore?


xmikex said:

joe/notcommon said:

Agreed Joe, some kids try way to hard. Goto an Atreyu show and you'll see what I'm talking about. Funny thing is, those kids always end up getting beat too. haha.

and Atreyu sucks.

people just suck in general doesnt matter if they are hardcore or metal.... there will always be at least a handful of assholes in a crowd.

When I was like 17 and used to goto metal shows I always got a chuckle out of the fact that half the time the only people who acted like they gave a shit about the music at all were all "hardcore" kids. Metal kids would always try and start with them and get ruined. Then they'd go online the next day and blame it on "Militant straightedge FSU tuffguy hardcore kids" and swear that the next time it happened they'd do something about it.

The funny part was that these "militant straightedge FSU tuffguys" were actually just the 603 kids and their friends, none of which could have been any older than 17 or 18 years old.

The point is, there's no war. There's no straightedge conspiracy. There's no Machievellian scheme designed to take away the collective dignity of metal kids world wide. What it comes down to is the fact that if metal kids would stop being such whiny EMO faggots about everything then maybe you wouldn't get beat on so much.

xmikex said:

About 98% of Pantera fans aren't even metal. Kids who jock mosh, and touch other men are also not metal. Also a lot modern hxc wouldn't exist if it wasn't for CD's like Far Beyond Driven. I can name 7837833 hxc bands that play the same slam riffs they did on that album. The kids that are deemed "metalheads", and hxc kids at shows all look like a bunch of faggots to me.

i look like a metalhead =[

i look like im in a ska band

I just play music.

i just play with myself

hey dude im one of those '603kids' you are probably refering about. i dont ever recall a thing like that happening but i know a few of us are on good terms with some of the fsu dudes thats about it. if you wanna i/m(fightingtheworld) me and refresh my mind about the psat go ahead i could just not be thinking so yeah take care duder. peace.

thegreatspaldino said:

Yeah but you're a valid "metalhead"; you're knowledgeable about metal, and I'm sure you don't think that cannibal corpse, and dying fetus are the only two death metal bands in the world.

there are more than two?!

hahahaha

Terence said:

all the music is good, i think it's just the people involved unfortunately

I love music, and I love being in a band, I just hate dealing with/hearing about/reading all the gayness that goes on

Terence said:

i hear ya.

as far as what XmikeX was saying about metalheads, he must run into a different a group then the people who come to the shows i usually am at.
everyone is chill, enjoying the bands and such. there is never any fights or cocky attitudes about who is going to beat who or anything

if you would come to a bostons' dead show you would see what i am talking about.
and prophetless productions rules!

brando said:

I'm not referring to you actually, I recall some of the kids from Tears of Avarel, and their friends (i don't think I know any of their names, sorry) being there. They'd always beatup on old metal dudes, and I'd laugh. Then the metal kids would blame it on just about everything and everyone else. it was funny stuff.

If all that going to a show consists of is "stepping to someone, and/or beating someones head in", then I don't wanna be a part of it.
Go to the show, have a good time, shut your bitch punk mouth, and rock the fuck out. That's what the shows are there for and that's why the bands play.
If yer gonna be a tuff guy, then take your punk ass outside. I'd be glad to unleash 240 lbs of "shut the fuck up" on you....but......after the fuckin' show.
Get the point, morons?

240? HA! i am a mighty 300

yea well i weigh 8765720958394656926947218 lbs.. whatcha gonna do about it?




no, i wish though...


i think maybe i'll get really fat and sit on people.

im hiding from you on monday.

hahahaha why?

youre tuffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff (with a million fs.)


i dont know...

im overtired.

im built tuff... im far from "tuff" though.. so no need to worry

Those curtains are still tufffffffer than you. You need pics of you wearing a frilly pink apron making your precious mac&cheese thing and trying to flex/tuffify.




Hug a mummy.