http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

I heard it was starting tom arnold.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/
released at 1pm.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5772.shtml

their site is slashdot'd

not up yet. some one find it. now!

I knew it. I knew it wasn't a plane, it was a missle that was launched from air force one...with Bush...and Cheney on board.

bush and cheney were on it? no shit. I'm going to have to tell people that. I was telling them that tom arnold was riding it and a co-worker said arnold swarz-whatever fired it from the plane in true lies.

You guys have watched "Loose Change" way too many times

You people are fools, it was the evil corperations that did it.

the_reverend said:

true lies? I heard it was the plane from Last Action Hero

no way! the one from true lies was infused with dinosaur DNA from the blood in a mosquito trapped in amber.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/ slashdotted to hell

they could have done a better job...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l_VoznREBgY&search=pentagon%20crash

No no no, the missile was in reality an x-ray beam fired by a Zionist controlled telecommunications satellite helmed by Rupert Murdoch and Madonna.

dasterly. I wish destro was real.

I guess they were on fox news and sucked.

what cheap video, you can't even see the plane still.

that video doesnt prove or disprove anything.

why doesnt any of the links posted work!

BornSoVile said:


Zackelys. Its fucking lame. Every time I see the footage of the pentagon, I say "wheres the plane?", "wheres the fucking wings?" if it was a plane, then the building should have a much bigger hole width wise becasue of the plans wings. And how does a plane get that close to the ground to hit the front of the building and not the top of the building.
It was either a van or a missle that hit the pentagon. I think its really fucking week that our government knew all about this shit that day, but felt they had to fluff up the terrorism scandel. Very conveinent that the "plane" hit a unoccipied area of the pentagon.

Wheres Dwyer, I need my spelling corrected.

weak.

handinjury said:

Take a Physics class and then talk.

Man_of_the_Century said:

Wait a second, you're the expert here, you talk, you answer those questions.

handinjury said:

the wings would get sheered off hittting a building dumbass, the hole wouldn't be in the shape of a plane sillouette like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

does anyone really, honestly care how the hole got there?
do you not know the government lies all the time? why should that be a shock? blah blah blah

1. a plane went through it because of terrorists
2.A a plane was shot down by the usa because of terrorists
2.B government lied about plane going through building and shot the pentagon

i don't really understand the motivation of the 2nd scenario, and i don't like being lied too. Doesn't change the fact that the event sucked greatly either way.

Did america make the event worse if they indeed lied about something like that? i dunno i'd need to know the reason why they did that, which i don't think i'll ever know.

if it indeed happened

I have an aunt and uncle that work at the pentagon, Even they won't talk about it .

im unsure if I've seen the "new" video yet. is it basically the same as the 1st "leaked" video?

I just saw it on the news while I was flipping the channels, You can't see anything even it being slowed down to basically a pause. From where the back fin on the airplane is before it hits looks like it wouldve been crashed well before the pentagon. I've never flown a plane though so im not really sure if you can fly one of those 10ft from the ground.

This is undeniable evidence...

The Koran now comes in two ply

Watching the second video, if you have any sense of perspective, you can see that the object is not as big as a plane. The first video you can't see anything at all.

Katrina was caused by giant fans in the ocean.

are we really supposed to believe that?

the 3 minute video of the security camera barely shows anything...and if you pause it at the right time what is supposed to be the plane(easily CGI) it's more the size of a private jet

the second video is the fakest thing i've ever seen

Don't be conspiracy nerds. At least consider for a moment that the boeing trully hit the pentagon. This is a good read:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

soloman said:

that doesn't explain why there was no debris, how all the cars WEREN'T blown away like pieces of confetti as the massive jet passed 25 ft. overhead, it didn't mention any contradictory eyewitness accounts that said they heard a missile and saw a c-130(military cargo plane) flying overhead just a minute or two later, also, there is no damage to the lawn as if a plane had skidded out and crashed into the building

look at the wreckage again and tell me it doesn't look like an explosion from a bomb/missile with some random charred plane parts thrown in there

i'm as skeptical as the next guy when it comes to these "wack-job conspiracies," but if you use your brain it makes a lot of sense

hey rev if i could use that search function i could get that hour long 9/11 conspiracy video you posted a few months back

SacreligionNLI said:

Yeah it does, the thread is long, its towards the end.

still not buyin it....there's no way they cleaned out the debris of a 757 that quick, and it didn't melt either....jet fuel only burns at something like 1000 degrees, and the titanium engines withstand up to 2000 and would not have been destroyed

the fact that there are charred fragments doesn't prove anything

maybe i'm just paranoid

not to mention...WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WINGS!?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=loose+change

hour long video, directly contradicts everything in that abovetopsecret.com thread

SacreligionNLI said:

im with you to small to be a plane and the lawn is imacculate for having a plane just crash land on it

not to mention...WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WINGS!?

that video is pretty eye-opening...it may just be bullshit propaganda like most everything else but it brings up some good fucking points

like how the WTC towers should not have collapsed by any means, the only way to knock out a building is by taking out it's base, not it's upper 1/3

You're right, the engines should have survived the burning of the fuel... Thats why if you look at the pictures they are still there.

The wings on the other hand are light and only made strong enough to stay together during flight. The wings would have blown into many tiny little pieces after being slammed into a building going 400 miles an hour.

there's only one identifiable part of the engine(i can picture donald rumsfeld walking by with it, dropping it, and walking away while whistling)

the wings would have just fallen off, not completely vanished, they show boeing test videos in that documentary i posted, and that is exactly the case

I'll watch the video when I get home.

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them." - Donald Rumsfeld

taken from an oct. 12, 2001 tape of an interview with parade magazine

bad choice of words? or did he slip up?

SacreligionNLI said:


how can you say there was no debris, and then admit that there were plane parts "thrown in there"?

so according to your theory, the boeing plane never hit the pentagon. All those people that died on the plane just disappeared, along with the plane. Remember, a missle or other aircraft hitting the pentagon means that an entire boeing 757 full of people is left unaccounted for.


My thing is this, if you want to believe the government consciously avoided doing anything to stop the disaster, well then yeah maybe that could be possble. But to suggest that a missle was fired at the pentagon is just ridiculous.

sorry... "virtually no debris"

100 tons of metal, gone

but that's totally believable

* The fact that the portion of the Pentagon attacked was nearly empty due to ongoing renovations, and that the aircraft undertook an extreme maneuver to strike this portion are strong evidence that the attack was an inside job.
* The complexity and precision of the approach maneuver are nearly impossible to reconcile with the official account that the plane was piloted by Hani Hanjour, an incompetent pilot of even single-engine prop-planes.
* Several eyewitness accounts suggest that the jetliner exploded before impacting the building.
* The rapid clean-up of evidence of the attack, and the indications of forgery in the five video frames released by the Pentagon suggest insiders have conspired to conceal the nature of the attack.

exactly...sepultura said it best... "DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE! DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ!"

Or "read it yourself instead of asking the government why"

same idea

911 was a ploy by the Busch Administration to get the Amerikan public to back G Dubya's plans to invade Iraq. Do you really think the Pentagone \m/ would let anything get that close to it?
A 9eleven scenerio is gonna happen again soon.
It's kinda funny but my friends seem to think that June 6, 2006 is too much of a symbolic date/# to go by un-noticed by terrorist groups and such..I'm skeptical though and besides, the only terrorists' to fear are the ones in the Whyte Haus.
Its when the people lower their guard and forget that the world is a dangerous unforgiving nightmare and let the warm glow of the cathode-ray pacify their minds that the Gestapo knocks down your doors to bring you to the camps.
We are all d00med.

Enjoy your coffee.

*sip* mmmmm...I know I'm enjoying mine.

You can tell its not a plane, but whatever.

midgetstealer said:

Do you have references for those, or are you just repeating something you heard...

taken from wikipedia.org:

"The section of the Pentagon hit consisted mainly of recently renovated, unoccupied offices, and was damaged by the crash and the ensuing violent fire"

"In September, Hanjour began to make cross-country flights in August to test security, and tried to rent a small Cessna 172 plane from Freeway Airport in Maryland - though he was declined after exhibiting poor flying skills."

------------------------

"Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere." - Don Perkal
www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html

"We saw a huge black cloud of smoke, she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke." - Gilah Goldsmith
www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html

Man_of_the_Century said:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/

it doesnt take a genius to analyze this video, you can tell that is defintally not a commerical airliner

"The fact that the portion of the Pentagon attacked was nearly empty due to ongoing renovations, and that the aircraft undertook an extreme maneuver to strike this portion are strong evidence that the attack was an inside job. "

Or it was poor planning on the terrorists side. They were unaware that the section in question was under renovations. The manuvering doesn't seen that far off, especialy if they wanted to hit the Army section of the Pentagon.

"The complexity and precision of the approach maneuver are nearly impossible to reconcile with the official account that the plane was piloted by Hani Hanjour, an incompetent pilot of even single-engine prop-planes."

It has yet to be confirmed that he was the poilot. Also from wikipedia: "There is a controversy over whether or not the security tapes indeed show him, since the man claimed to be him seems significantly heavier than Hanjour, has kept his beard (Which the hijackers all reportedly shaved off the night before), and has a different style of hair."
Not to mention: "Hanjour obtained a commercial pilots license in 1999 and according to the chief instructor, "Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said."

"Several eyewitness accounts suggest that the jetliner exploded before impacting the building."
They suggest, they never say for sure. Did you happen to notice that most of them say that it was a plane? "The noise was like an artillery shell, not an explosion like a bomb"

im just gonna propose a new theory...it was a nuke that didn't detonate and to cover up the fact that terrorists had nuclear launching capabilities they covered it up with a plane

no way it was a 757 though...have you ever actually seen one of those in person?

the cause was some mexican janitor farting in the bathroom

damn mexicans

troll said:
wow. I don't understand how people are so willing to sign on to the most rediculous conspiracy theories. I have officially lost all hope for mankind.

that's certainly not the MOST ridiculous conspiracy theory

it would be the most ridiculous conspiracy theory if he included the fact that most of the Bush admin. are reptilian shapeshifters here to start a globally policed new world order in which they have al the power and humans are their slaves...wait, that's pretty much happening besides the shapeshifting part...now is it so hard to believe? that's right...i'm fuckin crazy

Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)

Rims found in building match those of a 757

Small turbine engine outside is an APU

Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine

Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos

Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo

Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211

Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes

Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object

Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon

60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

soloman said:

and where are your sources?

I refuse to believe that this is nothing but an inside job, I mean come on..look at the tape...are you going to tell me that that is a plane?

and further more look at the area of the Pentagon, there is NO way that plane going those speeds got low enough to hit the pentagon, that is just god damn ridiculous

All that was taken from my above link. Its a very interesting read. Seriously, read through the whole thing : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

I agree the tape that was just put out is ridiculous. It's stupid that it was released with the hope of squashing conspiracy theories. It takes a photo about every half second. There is no way youre gonna see anything with that.

The biggest problem with the conspiracy theory is that if the plane never hit the pentagon, then were did it go? There is plane full of people unaccounted for.

I'm not saying that our government should be trusted completely. I'm just saying the Boeing DID hit the pentagon, and that this missle conspiracy is crap.

I'm not reading any of this thread, but I finally saw the video. It's the same video I saw years ago. I guess they've just decided to shove it in everyone's faces now. It's been available to the public since 9-11, though.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer suggested this very same conspiracy in 1962 when Cuba was one of our major enemies. Using scare tactics as a front to get people behind the idea of attacking Cuba.

-Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
-Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming it on Cuban forces.
-Firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military base—reminiscent of the USS Maine incident at Havana in 1898, which started the Spanish-American War—or destroy American aircraft and blame it on Cuban forces. (The document's first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a manned ship and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using unmanned drones and fake funerals instead.)
-"Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions."
-Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
-Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees
-"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."
-Burning crops by dropping incendiary devices in Haiti, Dominican Republic or elsewhere.

do you know that all of those people in the list of passengers is real? perhaps it's a bunch of made up characters(no offense to those who actually lost their lives in the tragedy) whose info was put on a computer so that they would check out.

all in theory...i still say something's fishy

and about the engine parts:
John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: "It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I'm familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy."

if it was some massive conspiracy to start a war with Iraq, why wouldn't Bush try to do a better job at making 9/11 look like Iraq's fault. If the administration was able enough to fire a cruise missle at our own pentagon without anyone noticing it was gone, make a jumbo jet dissappear and plant physical evidence of the jet at the scene. Couldn't they also just have planted some evidence of WMD's in a country that none of us have ever been to instead of making themselves look incompetent and misinformed?

Its amazing that such a huge conspiracy was put together so poorly that a bunch of conspiracy theorists reading websites were able to put all the pieces together so easily without any evidence behind it and mountains of evidence pointing towards what most likely happened are regarded unfounded.

Also OJ is innocent because the glove didn't fit.

yeah but those bastards are notorious for being involved in many greedy ass oil companies

blaming afghanistan for being in league with the terrorists and going in there to get osama bin laden was step 1, after doing that going to iraq wouldn't seem so extreme

they're up to no good, i tell ya!

only took 4.5 years for this video to surface

hungtableed said:

Trust me I don't lose sleep over the stupid shit I decide to spout on this forum and I'm definetely I'm not a conspiracy nut. I'm just entertaining myself.
honestly though, not everthing in this world is black and white. I hope you agree.
I am however a hopeless misanthrope and have not only "lost all hope for mankind" but wish for it's total demise.


With that said, I'm gonna go back to my bottle of Old Grand Dad and drink myself to sleep.

The framerate changes when 'it' enters the screen. Bring it into an editor and check it out. This has psyop written all over it.

this is not a joking matter office!

Who gives a fuck??? this forum is to talk about Metal not about politics or news.

cleanned up!

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