And somehow Trump is trying to take credit: "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to play such a big role in hopefully, hopefully getting rid of this issue," Trump said.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...rtificate_1303910671/?p1=News_links


Maybe now people will political energy will work on an issue that actually matters more than one fucking iota.

Death to America

gee only took him 2 fuckin years. why didnt just do it in the first place. then there wouldnt be an "sillyness" in the first place.

Probably because he provided more than sufficient evidence of his birth over the past 3 years, and hoped that the Birthers would realize they were retards. To acknowledge them would have given them more credibility.

or it took him 2 years to come up with a good enough forgery.

I dont care if he's from this country or not. he's a snake oil salesmen working for the corporations that run this country. any other asshole they put in office from now on will be exactly the same so it doesnt matter anyways.

I hope it is a forgery. Just to mock those Birthy cunts.

PS: DEATH TO AMERICA

Pessimism is for pussies.

EDIT: ...and I am definitely a huge pussy sometimes.

I prefer to be considered a realist. I'm actually a very positive person when its comes to most things - government bullshit is not one of those things.

Ill take death to america for 200

But your "realism" just seems like an excuse for inaction because everything is already so fucked. Try Pragmatism maybe?

The system is broken beyond my means to correct it. If you want to call that "pessimism"so be it. I'd rather allocate my remaining positivity towards living out a good life before it all completely falls apart.

Howard Zinn told me that corporate interests dictate foreign policy. And I have a hunch a secret cabal of Zionists dictate domestic policy from their clandestine lair just below the Earth's mantle.

Lusitania for 400, Alex.

If you believe that the world is broken with no hope of repair I'd say that pretty much fits exactly what pessimism is.

Can your good life not coincide with attempting to make whatever infinitesimal shift you can as an individual?

I never said the world was broken. Just our current system of government. I have no desire to try to correct it anymore. I only want to focus on my own life and the lives of the people I care about.

Understandable and legit, but I happen to disagree. Howard Roark is not my model citizen.

I think things will change for the better when bombs rain down on Washington DC

I'm doing my part to make the world a better place by making elementary school students listen to Composted today.

just put Land on a Cock on repeat. let the education flow.

"from now on", as opposed to the previous, legitimate candidates? lol

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you're right they were all assholes. Kennedy was probably the last legit president and you see where that got him.

I'm still waiting for "suspected Hutt sleeper agent William Howard Taft" to provide legal evidence to the contrary.

Get outta town, Leroy Brown! Kennedy was sketchy as fuuuuuuck. Irish Catholic N to the Nth!!!

Kennedy paid off the Chicago Mob (via Sam Giancana) to turn the unions in the 1960 election. Legit isn't a word I'd use for him.

i'm just going to gracefully exit this thread now. i'll leave a final comment - fuck politics.

I don't concern myself with politics. So long as they continue to serve the purpose of hastening the end of time, I'll just keep on having great hair, holocausting lobsters and stealing Danzig riffs

Similarly, my interest in politics only goes this far:

Why is voting so hard...
http://www.kittywigs.com/wigs.html

THIS



AND THAT.

MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX OR GTFO

There are actually military joint chiefs of staff calling for serious defense spending reductions and allocations for education and infrastructure. It almost sounds unreal.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/20...he-militarys-secret-plan-to-shrink/
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/82301/join...fs-of-staff-spend-less-on-military/

They're just nervous because every nation with a black leader has failed.

If JCS officials are serious about downsizing the military, they need to start by looking at the current active conflicts in which we are involved and discuss removing ourselves. Also shutting the doors on some of the 1000+ overseas military installations we currently maintain... A serious suggestion to close down 1/4 or 1/3rd of these would be a real gesture at anti-militarism. The idea of economic streamlining for the military may be beneficial, but until the military starts to advocate an active retreat from the world of empire, we, and the population of the world, will continue to be fucked by the iron fist of American militarism.

As for Obama, this birther "controversy" has not only provided fodder for the right to build upon, but also has served to entangle many liberals/progressives in the defense of "their" president. That and Trump's possible vote-splitting act are the way the powers that be will return Obama to the Oval Office in 2012, despite the abysmal success of term 1.

ATS Saying its fake:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread694949/pg1

I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the WH decided to fake a "long form", even though the short form/Hawaiian records should have settled the issue long ago.

THIS LOOKS SHOPPED. I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME.

he shooped da w[ho]op.

oh you knew that before going to even visiting the site.

Because he knew damn well it wouldn't make a shit of a difference if he showed them his fucking placenta in a jar in the hospital he was born in. Birthers are not people, they are idiots. You can't reason with idiots. I imagine he was busy for 2 years being the president. It isn't his job to pat the dum-dums on their special little heads.

That said Donald fucking Trump is a legitimate presidential candidate which means we're all fucked to hell anyway.

i'm moving to the woods.

I'm moving to a civilized country.

Our political system is full of fucking retards.

SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM
SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM
SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM, SOCIAL DARWINISM

...

own religion, much?

just sayin'.

Bombs, please. I'll gladly be collateral damage. Spare nothing.

Get rid of the 'tards. Then it all gets better. But then we don't have liberals.

didn't he have to show it to someone before he became president? i mean, fucking red robin had to get my birth cert in order for me to wash dishes. some serious shit, guy.

Keep living in black-and-white land, but I'm certain that if we kill of the 'tards, then we just won't have stupid people. Willing to test this hypothesis.

Truthers > Birthers

good, i'm glad he was forced into showing it. as leader of a country, a country with an explicit presidential stipulation of "born in the country", it should have never taken this long to show. will this shut "birthers" up? no, of course not, but at least a document was provided. i think it's ridiculous when people think that just because some government official supposedly saw it when he was elected that it's definitive proof. because our government is so notorious for being open and transparent about everything.

i'm not saying the "birthers" were right, but i do think they had a valid claim. show your fucking birth certificate, it's not that difficult.

i had to show mine just to get a passport, not to become the leader of a country. if people were clamoring to see mine, i'd show it to shut them up.

He already showed proper documentation with the other forms of his birth certificate. My birth certificate that I showed when getting my passport was also the shorter form. Also: check out the fucking crazy proposed changes to the passport application.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/forei...rre-questionnaire-for-passport-apps

i mean for the American public, who he is in charge of. unless it was done to just ruffle the feathers of the general public, which i say good show, we were just trolled by the president.

I heard that our first few presidents weren't even born in america. They were born in some british colony.

Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly?

Yeah, thats for the Birthers who are too lazy to read the Constitution.

I should like to expose my genitals to these birthers' children so that they might be properly naturalized.

He showed the same short-form certificate to become President that you showed to get your passport. It's like if they said to you when you tried to get a passport no that's not good enough, get us the long form - which would never happen, as fortunately this level of stupidity only attaches itself to political leaders, because I know I'd sure be pissed if I had to get a longer birth certificate just because my birth name isn't Johnson or Smith.

I heard laura engrim or who ever say "so waggy mc finger wag had to show is birth certificate". I hate that bitch.

It's not even 2. Only the mother has the be a citizen. So even if Obama WAS born in Kenya, he'd still be able to be president. "Natural born citizen" does not mean "born on US soil."

I dub thee der-WRONG-ia.

SLICED!

i just applied for my passport and i had to show the long form. the short form doesn't work anymore.

Birthers=Racism! Leave the poor guy alone so he can run this fucking country.

Ah, but where was he CONCEIVED?

In the united states of mexico

I think you're thinking of Clinton, here. Think he showed it to a couple of people, actually.

I stand corrected.

ITT: Tony showed them the "long form"

he just whipped it out

Nonetheless, I still think Pam's take on the overall topic is the right one.

Nobody asked any previous Presidents for this, no one cared that McCain wasn't actually born in the US, and none of the people on the radio/TV raising hell about it now would be worried about birth certificates had McCain won, or had a different Democrat like Edwards or Hillary won.

its just another act in the media/political puppet show. the only things that matter anymore are ratings and monetary gains.

I'd normally respond in threads like this but I'm too busy at my new job =/

didnt hear about the new job. congrats!

thanks. I got a new job photoshopping birth certificates. ZING

LOL WUT???


If Obama was born in Kenya, his mother's citizenship wouldn't make a difference. Likewise, if he was born in Hawaii to 2 non-citizens, he would be a natural born USAn. It's about location, nothing to do with parents' citizenship status.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread695331/pg1

Another ATS thread about it, but this one claiming to find a CIA wording that can only be seen by X-ray.

INB4:


bennyhillifier

The population of the ATS forum seems to be more than a little retarded...

It is. There are some brilliant posters but the majority are fools. Only trolling as Phage is real.

I'll be sure to post another politically contentious thread tomorrow so you can join the party this weekend.

Damn you editing Aril!

"The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

It's in the Immigration and Naturalization act.

http://blogs.forbes.com/danielfreedman/201...ma-doesnt-need-a-birth-certificate/

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

If I remember correctly though, this really only applies with both parents being citizens and residents, i.e. only temporarily overseas. According to the ever-reliable Wikip., the "natural born" part hasn't been interpreted by the courts, but I can't imagine it would hold with a baby born into foreign residency.

Also:



From this site: http://www.etherzone.com/2008/nath022208.shtml

And some right-wingers have also been offering the debatable opinion that even being born in Hawaii, Obama would have needed 2 citizen parents to count as "natural born".

So there's really no definitive law or ruling, but unless the kid is squeezed out at a foreign military/diplomatic site or while the parents are on an overseas vacation, being born to USAn parents out of the country allows for citizenship, but most likely not the elusive natural-born citizenship.

I'm not saying I necessarily believe in/support it, but until the "natural born" part is removed from the Constitution by amendment or clarified, I think anyone born into foreign residence of USAn parents will be able to claim basic citizenship, but won't meet most interpretations of native/natural born.

bennyhillifier

Impressive proof...

if both your parents are citizens and you are born on a military base in german, you are a citizen.

it says nothing about a mother only

I actually think the best way to deal with the whole natural-born concept is to define it as those who receive US citizenship on birth, whether through territorial or parental means.

These 2 State Dept. documents didn't clear up a whole lot, but maybe someone else can offer some interpretation. At the very least, the 2nd one states that:

"It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

He's had a copy available online for like what? 3 years now?
Oh but we need the long certificate!
Then they get it and now we're talking about his fucking college transcripts.

Can't they just say "we don't like the blacks"?

tl;dr

http://www.catswearingthongs.org/

Doesn't fly on a bumper sticker. (Not up here, anyway.)