He was a demolitions expert in the military and that's what he argues. Looks like you're in luck.
absurd! It doesn't take a physics expert to understand that the towers collapsed due to weakening, not complete failure. Just because engineers claimed the towers could withstand a jet crashing into them doesn't mean shit, was it ever tested and proven to scale? no. Having the weight 20-30 floors above the weakened breaking point would cause the rapid fall (with no visual 'pancaking'). When they mention explosions on floors below the collapse, WELL DUH, imagine how much air/pressure is being pushed down throughout the building during collapse, of course it's going to make windows blow out, ect.
Every conspiracy theory is part of a much larger conspiracy theory tricking you into thinking that you're being tricked when everything is actually pretty normal.
post by aril at Nov 30,2009 11:19am
9/11 is such a touchy subject. I love it. Everyone always looks like an idiot in the end, truthers and mainstream believers alike.
post by porphyria at Nov 30,2009 11:21am
this video explains the weakening pretty well and shows visual proof...
the CIA has no doubt been involved in crazy shit around the world since it's inception. but if the govt can't hide something like the pentagon papers, they don't have the ability to carry out a job like 9/11.
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
DUH. If the planes had crashed at the very top of the each tower they might have withstood, it was the weight of multiple floors above each crash point, of course it's going to fall quickly with that much weight above.
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
hahaha, okay, so how is a 100 floor building 'suppose' to collapse, into a nice neat pile easy to clean?
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire
Yeah, when was the last time two jetliners filled with fuel crash into the twin towers at 400-500mph+? oh wait, never.
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
DUH. If the planes had crashed at the very top of the each tower they might have withstood, it was the weight of multiple floors above each crash point, of course it's going to fall quickly with that much weight above.
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
hahaha, okay, so how is a 100 floor building 'suppose' to collapse, into a nice neat pile easy to clean?
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire
Yeah, when was the last time two jetliners filled with fuel crash into the twin towers at 400-500mph+? oh wait, never.
Stop using logic. Where arr da plane parts at de pentagon durrrrrrrrrrr
9/11 is such a touchy subject. I love it. Everyone always looks like an idiot in the end,
You mean like avenging the deaths of 3000 citizens by sending more than 4000 to die on foreign soil with no end in sight for almost ten years, not to mention 30,000 wounded?
I was gonna say.....Didn't POPULAR MECHANICS have an entire issue dedicated to the 9/11 theories? Most of which were proven to not be true?
National Geographic did as well and guess what, theorist's still found some way to 'discredit' them. It's almost like arguing the existence of god with a Christian, you'll never win in their mind.
post by aril at Nov 30,2009 6:34pm
bah not gonna waste time posting rebuttals or alternative theories, everyone is entitled to their beliefs
9/11 is such a touchy subject. I love it. Everyone always looks like an idiot in the end,
You mean like avenging the deaths of 3000 citizens by sending more than 4000 to die on foreign soil with no end in sight for almost ten years, not to mention 30,000 wounded?
Yeah, we Americans are a silly bunch.
millions displaced as well. it's not a pretty sight.
post by porphyria at Nov 30,2009 6:49pm
citizens = military personnel. No one forced them to sign up and serve but thankfully they stepped up as most of us wouldn't dare. Last time I checked we didn't have a draft, just sayin'.
It completely blows how many people have been hurt through all this b.s. but islamic extremists goal is to penetrate us from every possible angle (on our soil, british soil, ect.) and so far they're winning regardless of our presence in their countries. I'm not sure how pulling out of Afghanistan would make for a shitty situation better...
I'm not sure how pulling out of Afghanistan would make for a shitty situation better...
Pulling out? No, see we avenged the deaths of our 3000 citizens killed by afghani terrorists by sending 4000+ soldiers (citizens also, as you say) to die in IRAQ, and 30,000 more wounded. What does pulling out of Afghanistan have to do with this otherwise incredibly logical situation?
has you guys watchedd lose change!!!#@#!! durrrrrrrrrr
Loose Change makes me wish 911 was MY fault, just so I could piss all those whining pussy conspiracy nuts. OMG THE ROCKERFELLAS ARE HEAD OF THE NWO< >>>!@! THEY ARE GOING TO CREATE ONE WORLD GOVT> AND RFID CHIP UOY AND FEED YOU SOILENT GREEN>>>>>>>>>
As if the world hasn't been like this all along anyway, retards.
post by Mr. KNow it All at Dec 1,2009 12:06pm
Well this sucks, MSNBC has pulled the plug on Venturas show for not supporting the war.
i could care less how 9/11 happened, there will never be any proof in either direction. all i care about is that it destroyed society, the pre-9/11 world i grew up in was so much better.
post by aril at Dec 1,2009 1:11pm
patriot act is awesome. hi Feds, you like my posts on Boston.com today? What's that? I'm banned again!
i could care less how 9/11 happened, there will never be any proof in either direction. all i care about is that it destroyed society, the pre-9/11 world i grew up in was so much better.
so long as a country is forced to fight a war with extremists, the extremists already win.
i could care less how 9/11 happened, there will never be any proof in either direction. all i care about is that it destroyed society, the pre-9/11 world i grew up in was so much better.
so long as a country is forced to fight a war with extremists, the extremists already win.
I watched a program last night on GBH World about how the Islamic world views the Jewish world/the Israeli state. Alot of the violence wouldn't even happen if their own government wasn't feeding them lies about Israel controlling the US and the UN in order to control the world. Wacky stuff, the "historical" shows that are shown to arabs from when they're children are FULL of anti-semetic propaganda claiming that the state of Israel/the jews are evil, drink the blood of innocent boys, etc... total madness.
post by aril at Dec 2,2009 9:45am
It's anti-Zionism.
It's a Zionist occupation government that bulldozes neighborhoods, commits war crimes with bombs intended to harm civilians (mirvs and even white phosphate - which is banned),and has nukes, yet are not part of the treaty. Which , mind you America and the UN ignores the fact Israel has nukes. Iran is part of the treaty yet we scold them for a plant we knew about 2 years ago.
They have every reason to be anti-ZOG. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism; it's anti-terrorism, which clearly Israel leads the middle east in.
post by aril at Dec 2,2009 9:58am
To make a long story short: israels Zionist Occipation govt is corrupt, theocratic middle eastern thought clouds Arabic minds, our media is owned by zionists, and world war III will start over there sometime soon. Can't wait.
This is why you see more Jewish people holding up anti-zog signs these days. Which is a good sight.
It's a Zionist occupation government that bulldozes neighborhoods, commits war crimes with bombs intended to harm civilians (mirvs and even white phosphate - which is banned),and has nukes, yet are not part of the treaty. Which , mind you America and the UN ignores the fact Israel has nukes. Iran is part of the treaty yet we scold them for a plant we knew about 2 years ago.
They have every reason to be anti-ZOG. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism; it's anti-terrorism, which clearly Israel leads the middle east in.
It's funny, cause the special was pretty much about your response exactly. Did you know that far before the occupation, and far before the war crimes you're talking about, that Arab leaders have repeatedly called for Israel (and all the jews it contains) to be blown off of the map? I am not taking sides here, as this is one of the most confusing conflicts in recorded history. But you should watch the special i saw last night. Really blew me away, and i would be willing to bet that it would surprise you too.
post by aril at Dec 2,2009 10:30am
Israel is complicated.
It really goes back thousands of years and is still a tribal battle. Most israeli nationals are of eastern european or Russian heritage. In a way, I can understand why the Palestinians and Iranians, etc oppose it. I don't take sides either but I think Israel is a FAILED concept.
The fact that Israel has responded with terrorism with warcrimes/terrorism is OBVIOUSLY not justifiable, but to think that Israel was doing those things just to spite/conquer Palestine is not true. There was a whole segment about all of the truly anti-semitic teachings that an overwhelming majority of the arab world is taught from childhood. Nice anti-Israel as you would believe, but truly anti-jew, with conspiracy theorys up the wazooo to boot.
