What kind of lifting gloves do you use? I had a pair of cheapo Harbinger ones that I got for like $10 at the Sports Authority. They got the job done I guess. I lost them recently, and it's a total pain in the ass to do things like bent over rows and deadlifts without them.
I have been lifting for 15 years, i originally was a bodybuilder, now im a power lifter because i like food too much. The best thing to use is your bare hands. Seriously....
It will help your grip strength and your forearm strength. Do all movements without wraps or gloves, in the end you will thank me. Chalk is cool if your a naturally sweat dude, helps the grip from slipping.
I have been lifting for 15 years, i originally was a bodybuilder, now im a power lifter because i like food too much. The best thing to use is your bare hands. Seriously....
It will help your grip strength and your forearm strength. Do all movements without wraps or gloves, in the end you will thank me. Chalk is cool if your a naturally sweat dude, helps the grip from slipping.
Interesting food for thought.
Let me ask your opinion though. When don't use gloves, and I do pulling exercises like I mentioned above, I feel like I have more trouble getting all my reps in because my hands cramp up. Would you recommend dropping 5-10 lbs until my grip strengthens?
I've been going for strength rather than muscle gains, and concentrating on lifting as much as possible in a small amount of reps. So it'd kind of suck to drop any weight. But then again I have been trying to work on my grip.
gloves are for pussies. I always look for the roughest bar that I can find. it's the only thing that I do in life to give myself calluses. with that said, I finally figured out what I do to hurt my back at the gym. I use the chest press and do a set of 180 then 140 then 170 theb 140 then 160 then 140. when I do 180, it scoots me up in the chair and I have to wiggle back down holding 180. that's where I hurt it.
my problem is muscle stamina and when to eat more protein in regards to lifting to make any difference. It seems like a lot of the times, I rule through reps 1-8 and then 9/10, I lose all power.
gloves are for pussies. I always look for the roughest bar that I can find. it's the only thing that I do in life to give myself calluses. with that said, I finally figured out what I do to hurt my back at the gym. I use the chest press and do a set of 180 then 140 then 170 theb 140 then 160 then 140. when I do 180, it scoots me up in the chair and I have to wiggle back down holding 180. that's where I hurt it.
A. That's called drop sets.... sort of.
B. If it hurts, stop it.
C. Nobody using a chest press machine is allowed to call anyone else a pussy. Bench presses, free weights. FTW.
I bought gloves once and used them maybe 3 times then said fuck it. Sometimes it sucks using your bare hands but it does get easier as time progresses.
I have been lifting for 15 years, i originally was a bodybuilder, now im a power lifter because i like food too much. The best thing to use is your bare hands. Seriously....
It will help your grip strength and your forearm strength. Do all movements without wraps or gloves, in the end you will thank me. Chalk is cool if your a naturally sweat dude, helps the grip from slipping.
Interesting food for thought.
Let me ask your opinion though. When don't use gloves, and I do pulling exercises like I mentioned above, I feel like I have more trouble getting all my reps in because my hands cramp up. Would you recommend dropping 5-10 lbs until my grip strengthens?
I've been going for strength rather than muscle gains, and concentrating on lifting as much as possible in a small amount of reps. So it'd kind of suck to drop any weight. But then again I have been trying to work on my grip.
Yes, the best thing to do is drop the weight a bit until you can control it with your natural grip. Dont worry about what the weight it, it only sucks in your head because you are used to doing that weight. You will be way better off getting your grip stronger in the long run.
Pyramid workouts may even be better for you to gain strength that you are looking for.
my problem is muscle stamina and when to eat more protein in regards to lifting to make any difference. It seems like a lot of the times, I rule through reps 1-8 and then 9/10, I lose all power.
Muscle exhaustion is natural. You get tired at the end of your work day right? Same thing with your muscles. Experiment with different programs. Depending on how much you're lifting, how many sets etc. 10 reps might be a lot for you.
And as far as protein and eating, the answer is constantly. If I'm going to do a lot of lifting I'll drink Whey protein a half hour before I goto the gym, 5 ml of creatine serum right before I leave, another glass of Whey protein as soon as I get home, and a glass of muscle milk before bed. Cardio helps move all that stuff through your system.
my standard work out:
I row for 10-20 minutes to get warmed up.
then go to the weight room
1) pull down bar, arms out, palms down 120lbs x10
2) dips my weight x10
3) pull down bar,arms in, palms up x10
4) repeat 1-3 x3
15) free weights: lat press? it's where you bring the weight down behind your head just got to 50lbs x10
16) free weights: bent over curls 35lbs x10 right x10 left
17) repeat 15&16 x3
21) cable machine: one arm curls 35lbs x5 right x5 left x5 right x5 left
22) cable machine: one arm pull across chest twisting at waist 75lbs x10 right x10 left
This one bugs me cause it makes my love handles stick out more afterwards... but it works one of the muscles in my forearm.
23) repeat 21&22 x3
And if the weight room is empty... I take the 15lbs padded bar and spin it around from left hand to right hand. sounds gay, but it makes my shoulders burn like crazy.
Creatine is not in your head Rev, it works great. Helps build muscle and strength and aids tremendously in recovery. I stack it with glutamine and take the sufficient aminos and potassium needed as well.
I love Cell Tech, the cherry flavor tastes pretty decent.
Oh, and all that is needed is 5 grams daily. They will tell you to load and use 10 grams, but studies show that is wasteful and provide no extra gains over a normal 5 gram/day dosage. Three months on, two months off....
So.. I try to do the above routine just once a week (either sunday or tuesday). Then when I go to the gym the other days, I try to not to as much weight. less weight, more reps and I try to spend longer on the rower and in the pool, but I always get bored and then end up just following the routine I have above. I have a feeling this tuesday, my back is going to hurt too much, but I will be there. all that stuff above is 20 minutes rowing, 1.5hr in the weights, and then 30 minutes in the pool/hot tub.
Sorry dude, but lifting gloves are for girls. I went bare hand until tendonitis got too bad -- now I use wrist wraps which work quite well and will keep you from getting laughed out of the gym.
Rev & Mike, try mixing up your bench press workout with some "pause-presses" powerlifting style. Bring the bar down, rest on your chest for a couple seconds, then press. It can be quite humbling but will build power. Sapremia dude will know what I mean.
post by W3 @ work at Mar 16,2009 2:22pm
man my work out sucks lol
i run for 30 mins and then do 3 different weight machines
Yeah, the pause-presses humbled me pretty good -- I went from "cheat-pressing" (a healthy chest-bounce) close to 365 for 1 to struggling with 315 on a press that would be good in a meet. I weigh in at 250, so my meager 315 bench will not do shit in a meet -- a guy from my gym just did 440 raw at a meet and he weighed in @ 219!
I probably mispoke on the creatine -- the powders do work, but with the Sci-fit Infusion, you are only taking a small amount rather than having to mix and chug a glass of that foul-tasting shit. You can actually feel the Infusion stuff hit you right after you take it, which is pretty cool. I will go on a cycle of that next week probably.
I honestly have no idea why I'm working out. I know that I never did before and that I made fun of people who worked out. Now, I've have the must amount of muscles that I've ever had in my life. Sort of weird.
I weigh about 225 or so now, i havent maxed in a while, but my mid pyramid set is 315 for 5, which is down from last year when i was using 365 for 5. I havent used any creatine for a while, i will have to check out this stuff your talking about. My best max was about four years ago when i hit 445 fairly clean.
I'm 185 now. I was 190-195 when I started going to the gym. with in a couple weeks, I was 214! but then I went back down to 190. now I bouce around 180-195.
I weigh about 225 or so now, i havent maxed in a while, but my mid pyramid set is 315 for 5, which is down from last year when i was using 365 for 5. I havent used any creatine for a while, i will have to check out this stuff your talking about. My best max was about four years ago when i hit 445 fairly clean.
You = animal. I don't have the joints for it -- I'm fairly sure that an elbow or shoulder would explode if I went for 445. Plus I'm 6'4" with long monkey arms -- definitely doesn't help.
post by SapremiaNJ at Mar 16,2009 3:03pm edited Mar 16,2009 3:03pm
6'4 does not help at all. Im only 5'10, shorter arms much easier for the lift. I know i cant do 445 now, i dont even think id attempt anything near 400 unless i train for it. My elbows have been getting increasingly worse, i have adjusted my workouts accordingly. I started using Glucosamine/Chondrotin and it has helped some with both my elbows and knees.
6'4 does not help at all. Im only 5'10, shorter arms much easier for the lift. I know i cant do 445 now, i dont even think id attempt anything near 400 unless i train for it. My elbows have been getting increasingly worse, i have adjusted my workouts accordingly. I started using Glucosamine/Chondrotin and it has helped some with both my elbows and knees.
Sucks getting old, huh? I've been on the Gluc/Chon. religiously for probably about 3 years -- it definitely helps. Also try an Omega 3 Fatty Acid -- will also aid in joint health.
6'4 does not help at all. Im only 5'10, shorter arms much easier for the lift. I know i cant do 445 now, i dont even think id attempt anything near 400 unless i train for it. My elbows have been getting increasingly worse, i have adjusted my workouts accordingly. I started using Glucosamine/Chondrotin and it has helped some with both my elbows and knees.
Sucks getting old, huh? I've been on the Gluc/Chon. religiously for probably about 3 years -- it definitely helps. Also try an Omega 3 Fatty Acid -- will also aid in joint health.
I'll def try out pause pressing. My bench pressing has definitely come a long way in the last 2 years. I've got super long skinny arms so I won't be touching anywhere near the weight you two zoo animals have been pressing, but I'm looking forward to trying out some new stuff.
It's a routine that Randy Couture developed. It's:
8 bent over rows
8 upright rows
8 military presses
8 good mornings
8 split squats right
8 split squats left
8 squats with a push press
8 straight leg deadlifts
You do them with light weight. The premise here isn't huge lifts, but getting all your reps in at a steady pace, and you don't put the bar down until all the exercises are done. 3-6 sets (6 or you're a pussy) 60 seconds rest in between. Pray to God you land on something soft when you pass out.
Okay good, ill hit you up with the disc so you can see all your pretty pics inside.
If you could give me one for me and one for WUNH, that would be peachy. Then I can finally play it on the radio.
post by timtirpation at Mar 16,2009 4:09pm
I use under armor batting gloves that have a leather layer on the inside of the palm and fingers. They work sweet, plus keep your whole hand protected from the disgustingness of 80 other doodz using the same free weights.
post by corpus_colostomy at Mar 16,2009 4:38pm edited Mar 16,2009 4:40pm
mike grab some at good health on hancock. they have some shiz.
to all those pooh poohing trainging with gloves--
i to was a purist..no gloves, only chalk.
but when you really throw weight around you get callouses...said callouses were getting repeatedly ripped off with the 100lbs dumbells and that sucked.
I was doing the 5x5 and eating about 3500 calories a day including 150-200 grams of protein. Went from 150 lbs to 170 in about 6 weeks. Then I got sick and did not eat or sleep for 5 days and have not been motivated to start back up again. Eating that much takes effort. Will most likely start again and eat 3000 calories instead.
I was doing the 5x5 and eating about 3500 calories a day including 150-200 grams of protein. Went from 150 lbs to 170 in about 6 weeks. Then I got sick and did not eat or sleep for 5 days and have not been motivated to start back up again. Eating that much takes effort. Will most likely start again and eat 3000 calories instead.
Don't use gloves or belts.
ok your diet was conceptually pretty good but what were your training habits like?
what protein and suppliments were you taking?
how many days rest?
3k cals is a solid idea and the general rule of thumb for protein is grams = lbs.
example: if you weigh 200 lbs you need 200 grams. 250 lbs = 250 grams etc. the optimum nutrition gainer is excellent. 600 cals and 60 grams of protein (cassein, whey and egg) in one scoop. very light, not to milky.
post by Justin Steele at Mar 16,2009 6:52pm
I used to be obsessed with lifting heavy. Got up to benching 250, squatting 365 and dead lifting 405 (all 1rm). After hurting my lower back I continued trying to lift heavy but I just don't have the body type for it. My shoulders ached and my knees creeked (27 going on 80?). Now I focus on conditioning and stamina. Also, I pretty much eliminated weights from my routine and use resistance bands. Like I said, my joints hurt mercilessly if I lift heavy and the bands don't provoke the slamming of joints like weights.
I used to be obsessed with lifting heavy. Got up to benching 250, squatting 365 and dead lifting 405 (all 1rm). After hurting my lower back I continued trying to lift heavy but I just don't have the body type for it. My shoulders ached and my knees creeked (27 going on 80?). Now I focus on conditioning and stamina. Also, I pretty much eliminated weights from my routine and use resistance bands. Like I said, my joints hurt mercilessly if I lift heavy and the bands don't provoke the slamming of joints like weights.
check your pH sometime. if your on the acidic side of things it will have a neg and degenerative effect on your joints but you can help that with taking collagen suppliments..bovine is good but biosil chicken collagen type 2 is best and most researched. if your looking to hydrate joints and add lubrication, hyaluronic acid is excellent. if your looking to alkalize your pH, try world organic chlorophyll. dont work harder, work smarter.
my little brother started as 215-ish flabby. then bulked up to a hulkulent 260lbs, but all he was doing when he wasn't at the gym was eating. I remember him benching 280 x 10 for the first time. I believe I did 90 that day. Then go figure, with all the squats, etc... he's now on the list to have his knees reconstructed.
Personally, I'm always changing what I do a little and I like some of the results so far. I've got more muscles than ever and 3 days after I left, I feel like heman (cause I'm not sore anymore). The 3 weeks before I went to florida, I was going 3-4 times a week for 3hrs typically. I was starting to see abs for the first time since I was 4.
post by niccolai at Mar 16,2009 7:40pm edited Mar 16,2009 7:46pm
also, to the no glove, no wrap dudes out there, wrapping/gloving your hands is one of the most important things you can do to provent wrist injury further down the line.
my warm up for maori mao is just a 10-15 minute steady jog. No static stretching, no silly fucking yoga or arobics.
I do this on an eliptical, actual running takes it's toll on my knees.
steadily jogging is the best thing you can do for your muscles.
all my weight lifting is done AFTER grappling and everything is low weight, high rep.
I've lost almost 50 lbs doing this, haven't had to change my diet or worry about buying all this crazy shit from GNC.
I've added decent size and cut to my muscles, and I'm still one of the most flexible people you could immagine. I'm talking over head armbar from standing possition withough needing to jump.
I've added decent size and cut to my muscles, and I'm still one of the most flexible people you could immagine. I'm talking over head armbar from standing possition withough needing to jump.
I've added decent size and cut to my muscles, and I'm still one of the most flexible people you could immagine. I'm talking over head armbar from standing possition withough needing to jump.
calm down.
sorry brah, I have wicked roid rage.
alot of the dudes I work out with trying to body build can't reach thier puds to take a piss. I see all of them doing static stretches and lifting as a warmup before thier workouts and it's ruining thier flexibility and actually effecting what they can lift.
stretching you're muscles doesn't haveto mean literally straining them. you just want to improve blood flow to them without causing the trauma that static stretching causes (which decreases your lifting ability)
I never do static stretches. I jog or swim and I'm more flexible then any dude grabbing his toes and trying to toutch his elbows behind his back.
post by Coma nli at Mar 16,2009 8:26pm
I don't know how any of you can talk about mixing all these distinct workouts into a workout plan, stretches do not belong on a bill with bench presses; so not fucking grindcore.
I'd rather get smaller results than add random exercises that don't fit.
post by niccolai at Mar 16,2009 8:33pm edited Mar 16,2009 8:35pm
stretches do not belong on a bill with bench presses; so not fucking grindcore.
I disagree. improving bloodflow to your muscles is crucial before seemingly unrelated things like bench pressing.
it's important to me to retain my flexability as I tone my muscles, and it's important for me to be able to hit the bench at full strength and retain strenth after a weight session.
they might not be important to you if you're just a body builder, but I'm not. body builders tear realll easy.
I'm very glad that this thread spiraled way the hell off topic. It's been very informative so far.
As far as stretching is concerned I prefer quick static stretching followed by 5-10 minutes of jumping rope. I carry a lot of stress in my back, my neck, and in my legs and I sometimes get neck pains if I don't stretch decently before going into any cardio.
I'm glad that grappling was brought up. As much as I kind of hate grappling it's an amazing exercise. I had some pretty noticeable separation in my chest muscles after only a few months of grappling.
I'm very glad that this thread spiraled way the hell off topic. It's been very informative so far.
As far as stretching is concerned I prefer quick static stretching followed by 5-10 minutes of jumping rope. I carry a lot of stress in my back, my neck, and in my legs and I sometimes get neck pains if I don't stretch decently before going into any cardio.
I'm glad that grappling was brought up. As much as I kind of hate grappling it's an amazing exercise. I had some pretty noticeable separation in my chest muscles after only a few months of grappling.
Your warm up is just the most important thing before you work out. to me it's more important then my diet, my weight load, etc.
and to get back on topic, for christ's sake, wrap your damn hands. I dont care how gay it looks or un natural it feels. You work out to be healthy... so you should work out with whatever tools will avoid injury and jeapordize said health.
Your joints and flexability are way more important than your muscles (for fighting any way) and if you don't take care of those two things, you're going to have a hard time molesting your grandkids when you're 68.
almost all the things that I said "lat" in my routine are really triceps and I just have no clue.
I went again last night with my back still hurting. Did 20 minutes of rowing, 40-ish doing weights that didn't hurt my back and then swam for 15 minutes or so. I felt so much better last night, but this morning... ugh!
Go to the chiropractor and take a break from weights, dude. If you have a vertabrae out or if you've pulled a muscle in your back, you are only going to make it worse. Stick to cardio and swimming until your back heals.
It's from "scooting" back down in the chair with 180lbs. I know it. Just a pulled muscle. Tonight, I'm going to do all cardio. When I just stop going after tweeking it like this, I get wicked bad back cramps.
I never had no runs with it.... BUT, i bet you that they were doing it as the label reads. They all did the loading phase (b.s.) and they all used two scoops/10 grams (only needs 5!). So basically, the manufacturor is trying to make people use more than needed to sell more.
If you try it, just start with one scoop (5 grams) after a workout and stay that way for three months. And YES, you must take it on off days as well.
He's right about the "loading" phase -- that's a bunch of crap.
I just started a cycle yesterday on the Sci-Fit Liquid Creatine Infusion (see my other post). I take it right before I lift, but it probably doesn't really matter. What's good about this stuff is you only take a little bit -- granted it's still foul, but it's like taking cough syrup.
post by W3 @ work at Mar 18,2009 10:20am
damn im glad i just read that cause i wanted to try one of those, trader joes doesnt have banilla out here and muscle milk has one of those.
Creatine is best post workout, check out the University of Arizona studies on Creatine. The thing with Cell Tech is that is causes a brief insulin spike so that the body sweeps up everything in your stomach (i.e. the creatine) and puts it to use right away. That is why a proper amount of potassium is to be taken at the same time to help bring your body levels back to norm. Creatine is best to recover and repair damaged muscle, when do you need recovery and when is your muscle damaged, after the workout. Enjoy!
last night I sucked. my back still kills and I had to run up a 1/2 mile long dirt road carrying a huge 40lb box jumping over the tracks that some heavy trucks made in the mud to get a unit installed for my radio station. I got it in place with in 15 minutes which was good. Then I went to the gym and ran out of time.
15 minutes rowing
10 minutes lifting (curls, tricep press, and tricep extensions)
10 minutes swimming
10 minutes in hot tub
then I showered when the black guy at my gym. I keep wanting to call him barack.
i dont need gloves when i punp. i just lift bare handed. rightnow im pretty ripped. you should check it out on <333 i totaly posted pics on the internets
that reminds me i gotta workout before i leave to hang with my buds from dismembered. ttyt
awsum!
post by DYA NLI at Mar 19,2009 2:11pm
My fingers are fucking jacked. Now if only they made a full-body keyboard...
